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[pvfan]

So did Gaylord Perry/Whitey Ford.

Using a spitball and steroids is night and day in my opinion. it was pretty much accepted forever in the game. At one time the only penalty was a fine. The league even allowed every team to carry a specific number of spitballers for a while.

[Biggin]

Using a spitball and steroids is night and day in my opinion. it was pretty much accepted forever in the game. At one time the only penalty was a fine. The league even allowed every team to carry a specific number of spitballers for a while.

And steroids were pretty much accepted until the mid 2000s with comprehensive testing and such.

There were no drug testing until the 90s, so its ok that Bonds did it because it was not tested for at one point?

Thats what you are saying with spitballs, because it was not stopped at one points means its okay to do it at a later point even after the rules have changed.

[pvfan]

We are talking about getting ejected from a baseball game and going to jail. Are those the same?

[Biggin]

We are talking about getting ejected from a baseball game and going to jail. Are those the same?

Absolutely not.

Baseball =/= life.

Using real world laws and equating them to baseball rules is not relevant at all. That has nothing to do with my point whatsoever.

My point is that people have cheated in baseball for hundreds of years. Its not a new thing, trying to gain an unfair advantage over the other team. So why is it only an issue now with steroids? Perry is a HOFer, rightfully so.

But so is Bonds.

And who's to say that doctoring a baseball did not affect Perry's stats like roids did Bonds? We have no evidence or metric to determine that, but in terms of relevance in the game and how it truly effects performance, we can never know what Bonds could have done without roids or Perry without doctoring balls or Mantle without using speed and amphetamines.

Doctoring balls was a normal occurrence back then, but so was steroid usage in this era. If 75% of the players are using, then why is Bonds' numbers so unbelievable? Theres no doubts there were tons of pitchers juicing, it was a sign of the times. If a juiced hitter is jacking HRs on a juiced pitcher, why are his stats thrown out? He was hitting off a cheater, a guy who was using the same PEDs, therefore giving him no unfair advantage.